Nov. 18, 2025
CATL Signs Record 200 GWh Battery Deal: What It Means for Storage
On this week’s Clean Power Hour Live, Tim and John discuss Illinois legislation bringing 3 gigawatts of battery storage to IL, the public health impacts of solar tariffs, and global energy storage market trends that are reshaping the grid.
Episode Highlights:
- CATL signs 200 gigawatt hour energy storage deal with Beijing HyperStrong, representing nearly 60% of projected annual global capacity (Bloomberg)
- New research shows solar tariffs killed an estimated 105 Americans in 2022 alone by preventing installation of 10.5 GW of solar capacity (PV Magazine)
- Wind farms increase local property values by 3% and improve school funding with $800 more per pupil, according to Australian study (Renew Economy)
- Germany deploys innovative curbside EV chargers built directly into sidewalk curbs consumers (Reddit)
- Australia considers policy requiring utilities to offer three hours of free midday electricity due to solar overgeneration
- Global grid storage projected to reach 340 gigawatt hours in 2025, representing 20% of total battery market growth (Commercial Solar Guy)
This episode covers the accelerating clean energy transition across multiple continents, from policy wins in Illinois to infrastructure innovations in Germany and market dynamics in Australia. The data shows renewable energy saves lives, creates economic value for communities, and continues to scale globally despite policy headwinds.
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Right? Ladies and gentlemen, we're on the Clean Power Hour. Miss Tim Montague, he is having some internet issues because he's located on site somewhere with one of his clients. So you may see me jumping in to talk for him a little bit, but we're going to get going because it's 20 seconds in clean power hours coming. Hey Tim, welcome back.
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Hey, we're we're chatting. You know,
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I hear you are live, John. I am live from Rockford, Illinois, today.
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Welcome to the Clean Power Hour.
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I'm your co host. Tim Montague, my internet is a little unstable, so John might have to carry the baton today, but it's a great day. It's sunny and 65 on November 14, which is nuts.
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And how are you? And where are you? You're no longer in a hole in the ground. John, where are you?
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I'm in a different site now. The picture behind me is a project we have. That's Rochelle. She's our project manager on the roof. So I'm not in a hole right now. I'm still in my little closet hole in my office, but we're still in Cambridge, and it's not 65 here.
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It's in the 40s, low 40s. So I still gotta,
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well, it's coming.
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You always get our weather two days later. So nice weather on Sunday, maybe,
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absolutely, absolutely. So yeah, we're doing alright.
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So I just wanted to give a quick shout out. I was at mosia, the Missouri Solar Energy Industries Association yesterday in St Louis. Good, small event, but very good event. Shout out to John the Executive Director. Thank you for your hospitality. I had a great time with my client, power sync solar. Shout out to power sink in southwest Missouri, residential and commercial installer, and now I here I am in Rockford. I'm a traveling man. I was in Toronto on Monday and Tuesday. John visiting WSI, the AI consulting firm that I am licensed through, and looking forward to not seeing you on December 2 and third, unfortunately, in Chicago for ICA, the Illinois solar and storage Association, we have our annual meeting, and then great networking event, and then re plus Midwest, and I think it's co joined with re community solar. I want to say something like that, but the Midwest is on fire. John, we have new legislation in Illinois. Three gigawatts of batteries are coming to Illinois. We already have a great battery incentive, but we're getting more, and we're getting VPPs, and life is good. How are you
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busy building building car ports? You know, it was really interesting to see the laws that you guys passed. I spoke with a couple of people in your state. Covered it for PV mag. So it was cool. You expanded the size of your solar program for the coming year to balance out the slowdown later because of the OBB right tax credit shifting, which was just really great. And I saw I was involved, not involved. I watched some of the people who were filing it, so it was kind of cool just to see them as they were writing it, then submitting it, then seeing the process, and then it happening. So, yeah, we
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call it the omnibus energy bill. I can't remember what the official name is. It's got some esoteric name, but it's a good it's a good wind at our backs here, we already have a very good renewable energy credit program in Illinois for DG, including community solar and batteries, and now more incentives for batteries. And like you said, it's a lever, right? The states are an important lever, and because the feds are crunching down on us, trying to take away our incentives, really trying to squash clean energy, and it's just not going to work, John, because LCOE talks, and we are the LCOE in the world really well, we're cost competitive with gas anyway, and we're way more cost competitive than nuclear. So the question is, how are we going to get all these data centers online and juiced up? And my answer is, micro grids initially. And my colleagues at CIR are building data centers, designing and building data centers, and they see this that some of the data center operators design with micro grid as a phase one while they wait for their five year interconnection queue. Wait, but
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it's interesting, I guess. You know, I haven't officially had any data center Association. I don't know how many are going to get built in New England or Massachusetts, maybe, but, you know, I am seeing people talk about the price of energy as associated, or as they believe is associated. The data centers.
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And I had a residential customer who reached out and they said, Hey, can we get a quote install, etc? Said, Absolutely, we can help you. However, just want to let you know that, you know, we can't guarantee for the end of the year anymore, and so very specifically, he said, Yep, don't care about that. Data centers are coming. Price of energy is going up. I got a heat pump and an EV got a price of electricity is going up. Got to install solar. It doesn't matter. So it's like, wow, it's in people's minds. It's starting to become a thing, and it's in people's minds. And it's interesting. See what's happening around the nation too.
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There was a one out in Oregon. I didn't put it on our list. Maybe we should cover it, but there's a data center explicitly that was able to move through the queue faster and get approval to install, because batteries and solar are going with it initially. So it's going to happen, and it's kind of and I hope we're, you know, get pulled up. You know, the incentives are going away, but the price of electricity is going through the roof. I think on our list, I have a link to Bloomberg natural gas pricing to show that it's the highest price right now, not inflation adjusted, I think, but the highest price since the end of, well, it's not the end of, but since it fell down after the Ukraine war. So that's a,
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that's a thing, you know? Yeah, I like to say there's only, there's only three guarantees in life. Now we used to have two, death and taxes.
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Now we have growing energy prices, and that's a double edge. It is hard on consumers and I and I feel bad for low income consumers. You know, middle and upper middle class Americans can afford a 20% bump in their power bill, but low income people cannot, and so it is important that we have equity eligible, so to speak, incentives to allow low income residents to take partake in either rooftop solar or community solar, and we've done that here in Illinois. And that legislation, by the way I looked it up, it's the clean and reliable grid affordability act.
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So you see the word reliability, and this is a thing that we all as energy professionals are going to be leaning into for the next two decades. Really, it's all about reliability and resilient, resilience and affordability. So it's not a bad name, reliable grid affordability act. I like it the CR GA Yeah.
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There was a lot of neat stuff in there. I Who did I speak with? You know, I'll tell you right now, because I covered an article. I covered it. And then Maria brie, who is our attorney, my company's attorney, she recommended I speak with somebody, and her name was Miss Katie McFadden, and she is a lobbyist. Yes, yes, she's a lobbyist. Yeah, that's why I ended up speaking with her. She gave us a really nice breakdown of all the things in it. It's a massive bill, I mean, just a bunch of things. So, so, yeah, so, good luck. You know, good luck. I'm gonna try and get out there and build and visit. I need to, need to visit. You.
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Don't Tim, it's been a
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little don't try.
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Don't try. Yeah, just on that plane, bro, yes, yes. All right.
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All right, let's get into the news. You got a story about C, a T, L, C, A T, L's energy storage deal gives spark to Chinese battery stocks. What's the story?
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All right, so first, the main story is just that this really big deal was signed with this company called Beijing hyper strong. So hyper strong is the way I know them.
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They're a battery developer, and here's what it is, though, and like it led to the stock market popping a little bit, but they they made an order of 200 gigawatt hours of energy storage to be deployed over the next three
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years. Can you blow that up at all? So, so it takes up the whole screen. Oh, you mean, like, right now it's a little, it's a little narrow on screen for our viewers. How's that? Yeah, you can go even, even wider.
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I don't know if it will go any wider, because now it's,
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you can't just fully hit the expand button on the here.
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Watch what happens when I do that. I got a giant screen. It's like 36 inches.
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Tim, you know, can't do that, so that's cool. Yeah, so, but the thing about this 200 gigawatt hours, I did some math, and it's over here on this document, on our document, so I'm gonna read it off. But the math is that 200 gigawatt hours, if it was deployed in next year, it would represent almost 60% of the annual capacity to be deployed.
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And then if you spread it out over the next three years, and you pretend that battery capacity is going to expand a whole bunch over the next three years, it would still represent 10% of a massive global deployment capacity. So this deal with kale, who's the biggest battery company on Earth, this is the biggest battery deal ever signed. Maybe it must be, I don't know, but I think so. And yeah, and. Oh, sorry, Tim, but it was just a massive deal. Maybe, yeah, maybe, yes,
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possible. I love it so,
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but it was so big that it moved the markets like and other things happened like, Cato, like, opened a deal with, uh, or something happened where cato's lithium mine is moving forward, and the price of lithium is moving up again. So there's just lots of battery stuff going on. And I think we I think you got to delve into it.
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I know Tim, you said you're working on a top secret battery project. That's cool as heck.
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Good luck. I have a few in my queue, trying to build a couple batteries and own them. So it's just, this is just big news recently, and it really kind of sparked my interest the capacity of this deal. It's just massive.
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It's relative to the whole world this deal, that's how and it moved the stock market one deal.
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So I thought it was cool.
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Yeah, that's pretty cool. That one deal can move the stock market. And I like the name hyper strong, yeah. So another story on blue sky. Ess global capacity projected to be 340 gigawatt hours.
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Yes, yeah. So this is starting to do that math.
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Let me share my screen. I think I have that. Doo doo doo doo doo doo,
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yeah. This is literally just breaking down the math relative to that deal, but showing what's happening in the rest of the world relative to batteries. And something real interesting is happening that was unexpected. The amount of grid tied energy storage, yet again, is confusing and surprising people. There were predictions that grid storage would only be 10% of global capacity, and the car batteries would just dominate and be 90%
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you may have to do the sharing. I'm not succeeding in sharing that screen so
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you're over two today.
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Chrome.
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Chrome does not like stream yard for some reason.
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All right, let me zoom in here, because I like to zoom out on a lot of stuff. So first you can see this, that math I did here. You know, the the global this is relative to the Catal deal. So this is me sharing it on blue sky. But here's that math, the global projected capacity, about 340 gigawatt hours. This one purchase would have been 58% of it over the next three years, even if I guesstimate 35% growth, this deal still would have been 10% of the global and here's a picture of what the global is going to look like.
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This is one of my favorite battery guys, Simon Moore is we should reach out to them. But this is kind of neat. 2025 we'll see that grid storage will become 20% of the global battery market of 1.7 terawatt hours, which is awesome. That means grid storage is going to be bigger than the entire battery market of the year, 2120 or 2021, that's two years, and it's just the grid portion. So our growth is just massive. I mean, you can see this here, the growth that's occurring and but those, just
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those charts, are showing the EV storage, right?
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No, both. This is all storage. So the 70% the big number, that's EV, yeah. So if you come over here, so the yellow is EV, the orange is batteries, portables, and then other portables.
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Oh, so the orange is the the orange is the grid storage.
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Yes, yes. And so you see, in 21 it was 8%
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Yeah, through the four, you also see, you see the opportunity for vehicle to grid, don't you?
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It's so massive, it could take over the world. I mean, it really could, and we want to do that absolutely, absolutely the vehicle to grid opportunity. So there's a document I've seen, and I could share another article that's funny. Here's here's the thing.
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EVs are a defense strategy in China. I almost shared this in our group today, but I haven't finished reading it, but China has a one terawatt hour vehicle to grid policy goal statewide.
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They're thinking, yeah, they're they know this car, these cars are valuable, and the rest of the world needs to catch up, because China's going to pay attention and make use of it.
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Yeah. And just for context, like the statistic that sticks in my mind is six terawatt hours is what the US could use to green our grid, six terawatt hours of storage. So a terawatt of storage is a lot of a lot of storage. And, you know, I get excited about 20 megawatt hours. You know, that's a large, that's a large CNI, so storage project, and so anyway, so I'm not surprised that China is leaning in to V to G, and we're still just, we're still just dreaming, really, about V to G.
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Um. I don't think any market in the US has really fully embraced B to G has, have they
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not fully I mean, I only see tests. I don't know if I've seen like, a full embrace.
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No, I've only seen tests. And in California, maybe maybe a touch or two, in like Oregon and Washington, some of the smart places with this stuff, but no full embrace. There's something out in Virginia, you know, there's busses. There's more bus V to G than there is car V to G that I've been seeing in the news because, because they're looking for ways to maximize the value of busses, and you have third parties owning them. So there's, there's some dynamic, dynamism there, but not, not too far, yeah.
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So should we talk about this off grid dual access tracker that you found? Yeah?
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And wrote a story about in pieces. My
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two stories. These are my two stories for the week that you get to see me. Yeah?
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This is a cool little unit. Tim, you should get one, put it at your cabin off in the woods.
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Well, I could just put in my backyard. Yeah, I don't. I don't have a cabin in the woods.
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We should work on that, Tim,
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but this thing would fit in my backyard. I can't put solar on my roof because I have a huge shade tree of a I have a silver maple, which I love because it makes my back porch shady and it cools my house all summer long. And actually it's good insulation in the winter as well, even though it doesn't have leaves on it.
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But this, this is like a seven kW tractor. You're going to have to Oh, yeah, there you go. You got it on screen? It's got a very unique, very unique design, though. What's the unique design?
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Yeah. So this is like a suspension system, bridge type of racking thing. You can actually see the wires down here a little bit easier, but they use this suspension instead of heavier metals. And the way they described it, they said it's just because of the wires, it just does a better job. And I talked about generation and how the wires might affect it. They say, Listen, we run our numbers with it so we know, we know what the numbers are. But this wire, he called it, a suspension bridge like system to keep the modules in place, and it, he said, it saves a 1000s of pounds of steel to hold it up. So it's,
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uh, yeah, this is a system called Apollo, yes, from a company called solar flecked energy. You know anything about solar flecked?
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So solar flecked is actually northeast based, New Hampshire, Vermont based. They They are essentially not a spin off, but they're this dual access tracker has existed for the residential market for close to 1500 installs, and they decided to make a different solution for charging cars and parking lots. And that's what the goal of this is. It's to allow you to drop your charger into a car. They have level two chargers, and the the hard sell.
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And I spoke with the the Chief Operating Officer. I believe his name is down here somewhere, Rob Adams. The hard sell is that it's all look at that. Look how beautiful that is.
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It's a little video here showing the tracker moving over the course of the day.
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And you can charge up to four cars during a day without connecting it to the grid, and it just smoothly works.
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And you need a portable I mean, for all intents and purposes, it's portable too, not that you would be relocating it often, but it's completely self contained, right? Yes, you set it up, it sits there. It's got chargers. It absorbs solar radiation and converts it into charging for your Eb, pretty slick, yep.
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Now there are some physical attachments to the ground. So it does have a little bit of a attachment, but nothing's permanent. There's like the stakes that go into the ground. So, so that, yeah, but otherwise it's portable,
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stabilized, yeah, the base. So do those spread very far from the base? Do you know how far from the base to those guy wires spread?
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I The guide wires connect to the base. It's not guide wires that hold it, it's stakes that are part of the base. So if you look at the base, it's
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like, you mean just the pole has, like, a square base on it, yeah. So if
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you look at the base, there's actually a four legged base that's very heavy.
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It's concrete base that's pre cast concrete, and it has holes that are in the base. So you'll just kind of hammer a stick down into those holes. So, yeah, so that's it. That's the only attachment that's just to give it a little extra building per i don't know if I. Yes, that's a good one. I should have asked that one. That's, yeah, I, I'm not certain. I mean, I You're not connecting it to the grid and you're just dropping it off in the parking lot. What is there to do? But I would argue.
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I'd argue against it. So, so, yeah, it's a pretty cool unit.
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It's movable. They've been testing them in New England. Oh, Tim's Tim's cameras. Tighten it up. He's gonna come back.
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They've been testing in New England. They've been installing them for years for houses, and now they're moving to this field based thing and and the main goal is to let people charge while at work. And that's really the goal, just let you charge all day purely from the sun. So, so that's, that's my cool story there. So when Tim comes back, we can talk about it. Oh, Tim's back. Timothy, how are you?
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Oh, boy. Oh boy.
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That's all you gotta do.
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Unstable internet, let's, let's move on. Though, John, we got, Yep, we got more news to cover,
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tons, tons. We'll talk about my next article. This one, this one. Got some questions about my title, Suniva tariffs, yes, yeah. Click on this article and read the title out loud to everybody.
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Solar tariffs kill Americans. By John Fitzgerald Weaver, holy. Mo, that sounds, that sounds scary. John, why such a scary title?
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Because it's reality. Timothy, how's that? So this story is two part. First, if you want to skip to the second half, we could, we could talk about it. So there's, there's two things I covered in this story, the first half, or the first the second half of the story is showing research from proper scientists. You know, people who know how to do math.
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And the research says that solar imports have actually saved American lives by importing solar panels. So you got to keep going a little further. Keep going a little further in the article. Yeah, that's my portion. Yeah, we go down to these guys. So these guys say that there have been almost 600 preventable deaths in the United States. Oh, look how you size that so perfectly. Tim, almost 600 preventable deaths in the United States due to imported solar panels over a 10 year period. That's awesome. They ran the math. They looked at how much we saved in terms of burning gas and coal. And they showed like how it would work, and they even broke it down on different states and different regions. And so they had some nuanced analysis, and they worked, and they said, listen, solar panel imports have helped America, America,
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and this is, let's just be clear, the the lives being saved is because we're reducing air pollution by Greening the Grid, right?
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It's straight up air pollution. That's like 98% of it. It's Yes, and so
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when we push back on clean energy with tariffs, we're killing people. It's not the argument.
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So now scroll up and let me show you a very explicit answer that I did some good math on. So first, this chart shows an estimate of deaths per terawatt hour associated with an energy type.
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You look down, you see brown coal, regular coal, oil, biomass, natural gas, hydro, and then you see at the bottom the terrific trio, whatever the word is, of wind, nuclear and solar, just trivial, nothing, and and you so you get, you get this first you have this in your head. You know, air pollution kills people. We know this. It's bad. It causes lung issues. You know, if you're already unhealthy, it's just going to knock you over the edge. So you see this chart on our screen showing coal being terrible, oil, biomass, everything. Now if you want to scroll down a tiny bit, you can start to see the math the Suniva tariff from 2017 Sia, the Solar Energy Industries Association estimated that 10.5 gigawatts of solar wasn't installed because of the Suniva tariff. So I did the math for the year 2022, only. So this is just one year. Tim, 18 terawatt hours were replaced with fossil fuels because we didn't install solar. Tim, that led to 39% of that electricity being gas, and 20% being coal, 7.7 terawatt hours of gas, 3.6 of coal. You do some math down at the bottom, that extra burning of stuff, 19 deaths from the gas, 86 from the coal in one year. Somebody wrote me back after this, and they said, John, both of my kids, and they're from Illinois, they say both of my kids have asthma because we think of the nearby coal power plants. And it's, it's like, it's real. I mean, it's like, scroll up a tiny bit, little, tiny stat right above that pretty image. There's a plant, a coal plant, you got to keep going just a little bit more. Sorry, Tim, there's a coal plant that sold. Keep going in Pennsylvania. It just closed down tiny bit. And it showed right here three years after Pittsburgh. Yeah, coal processing plant closed in 2016 researchers showed a 42% drop in local emergency room cardiovascular emissions. That's your lungs. It's your heart.
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Explicit evidence that shutting off fossils helps people, and by not installing solar panels, you're hurting people, you're killing people, yep, and that's just a blunt truth.
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This is why we can say with great confidence that we are creating a safer, healthier future for humanity by accelerating the clean energy transition, we are literally saving lives. And there are a few things so good that you can do in your life then save future lives, right? So get on the green energy train, people, let's roll we got to make the energy transition get to net zero, and then we got to decarbonize the atmosphere, which is a bigger problem, but it's also solvable with ocean iron fertilization. Check it out. All right, should we do another story?
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Plenty. We got lots of stories. Tim could never stop talking about stories.
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Wind projects leads to better local schools and lift neighboring property values by about 3% according to a surprising new piece of research out of us this week.
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Hmm, cool. How's that?
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Renew economy? The title of the story, it's wind farms, lift rural property values, study fines and boost local schools. All right, I'll get this on screen, hopefully.
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Let's see what's the story?
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John, the story is that everything, everybody's always talking crap about being near wind farm, saying, Oh, it's going to lower your property values, is garbage, and those talking points from the right wing monkeys need to be tossed in the trash, because that's just the blunt truth. There is a very clear logic for this.
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What's the reason parents choose to move into a particular reason?
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Tim, yeah, schools are a good one. Schools safe neighborhoods, I guess.
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And one of the things, what do you hear in every single conference, whenever or not conference, every single permit meeting, they say, What are we going to do with our pilot tax, with our payment in lieu of taxes? How are we going to take care of things? Where's the money going to go? Almost every time you hear this amount of money will be sent to the school district.
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Yes, a significant amount of money goes to local schools. When wind and solar projects are developed in rural communities, it's really a win for rural communities over over the base case, which is farming, or in this case, look, you've got these hilltops. There's really nothing economic happening on the hilltops. Maybe some sheep grazing, but those sheep are perfectly happy to graze under a wind farm.
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And so what's happening now is that there's extra money that's in the town, and they even showed that student to teacher ratios improved when there's a wind farm around, because they have more money. They have $800 more per pupil in order for each class. And think about that.
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You're going from 20 students, you know, that's 816,000 bucks for a class, eight extra, and now you have fewer. And so it's just, it just goes in the face of all the crap we hear. It's like, I don't want to live near this, but it's not real human being saying that. It's fossil funded funds. Thing you know, citizens for Responsible solar, just every body, just remind you, citizens for Responsible solar is a fraud. Be very careful if you ever see them, they're a false they're a coal funded organization, and this is just wrong. So people saying price drops are wrong. That's just just good thing to say. Not only that, it makes your schools better, and that's why people are moving there. They're like, Oh, wind farms come with good schools. What a nice thing to hear,
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yeah, that's that is a very happy story about wind, wind development in Australia. And I don't doubt that there's many, many other stories in the same vein to be told, we just have to do the research. Alright?
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You ready to move on? Yeah, yeah, this is an easy one. It's just cool car charger.
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The Reddit story, Reddit, Reddit, curbside car charging in Germany, yeah, look at that little thing. Oh, yes,
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see, I like everybody. Tim likes it before he's he hasn't even shared it yet. He's made like, five different noises. So, you know, it must be cool.
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Yeah, that's that.
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That charging station is built into the
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curb. Yeah. Now, the one thing I heard people complain about was water ingress, but I assume the Germans know how to make something that doesn't leak so, but look at that. It's just built into the sidewalk. How cool.
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Yeah, that is definitely the future. John, I like to say, if you want to see the future, go to Northern Europe or China. And in this case, we're in Northern Europe, in Germany and and so, yeah, you're just scanning the code and downloading the app and paying for your electrons.
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